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Wednesday, July 27, 2005

But He's an All-Star!

by Corey

I don't like this notion that you're either a buyer or a seller at the trade deadline. Somehow, if the Indians trade Bob Wickman, it means they're playing for next year? It's possible to trade Bob Wickman right now and still make/intend to make the playoffs. I would even say it's possible to trade Bob Wickman right now and maintain the same superb level of performance out of the bullpen for the rest of the season. To do this doesn't even require getting major league talent in return.

And I'm not saying this now as a reaction to Wickman's blown save agaisnt the A's (which was quite sucky, don't get me wrong). The fact of the matter is, Wickman has put up some pretty good numbers so far in 2005, which has come as a major surprise to me. But contrary to popular belief, he has not been the best reliever on the team... more like fourth-best. I can't help but feel that Wickman is playing on borrowed time; each day he narrowly escapes without blowing the game, I breathe a sigh of relief. With his perceived value so high at the moment due to saves and all-star-ness, it would be advisable to trade Wickman to a GM who believes his team needs veteran leadership, "closer magic", and/or really fat players. I'd happily take a few dreaded "minor leaguers" in return ("minor leaguers" being a derisive term in traditional trade analysis).

The Indians are neither buyers nor sellers. If they do nothing, they'll be fine. But I'd love to see them sell Wickman. Maybe some young whippersnapper out there would like to re-enact Richie Sexson's prime years for us, but in a Cleveland uniform.

Meanwhile, the Tribe is off to Seattle, and--surprise!--so am I, and--surprise!--so is Alex. We'll be sure to share some Indians coverage from our trip to Safeco Field. Stay tuned.

Posted at 10:32 PM

10 Comments:

Anonymous Mike said…
I think the Indians should be sellers, even though they won't be for PR purposes. They have been struggling, and with how good Oakland has been playing and how much talent the Yankees have, the wild card is out of reach. I disagree that if they trade Wickman that they aren't sellers: If they trade an important player to this years team to make next years team better, then they are sellers. Wickman has been unquestiuonably the best reliever on our team. Besides being an all star, having a low era, and a high save percentage, he's the only reliever on our team that doesn't consistantly choke in the closer role as we saw last year. I think the player the Indians should be shopping is Millwood. He has an era of 3.19. We could get some good young talent for him. Alex and Corey- have a good time in Seattle.
Posted at 12:03 PM, July 28, 2005  
Blogger roger said…
(Per earlier) If you don't believe in Wickman's "intangible moxy" than I guess you're incontrovertible. Of course, I'm kidding.

I think they should trade everyone possible. I think they're going to hover in contention uncertainty zone for the rest of the season and ultimately not make it. I'm usually an optimistic guy, but I'm really down on the Tribe right now. Maybe Wedge keeps playing Blake to shortcircuit our chances, hoping to create some difference between us and the wildcard leader. Thereby lessening the PR blow. Although, I have to say, Shapiro's made much more controversial trades than this one would be.
Posted at 2:47 PM, July 28, 2005  
Blogger roger said…
Oh and my parents will be in Seattle for one of the games. Are you taking the train from Toronto to Vancouver and then headed down? If so, you guys have the same travel agent. Anyway, small world.
Posted at 2:49 PM, July 28, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said…
corey how can we get you to shave that mustache?
Posted at 3:33 PM, July 28, 2005  
Anonymous Noah "Notshy" said…
whatsup guys. You know what, Im getting kind of tired of cleveland fans having this defeatist attitude. "Oh we can't win the wild card, we cant compete with the YANKEES or the A's". Give me a break, We have more talent, well, maybe as much talent as the A's this year. We can win this thing, the solution is simple: trade Sabathia. Yea you can laugh, but its the right move. If we can get some kind of young hitter (ex: Adam Dunn) in exchange for Sabathia, then it would be a positive move. I know you (corey and alex) and most other Clevelanders are huge Sabathia supporters, but I have never been a huge Sabathia fan. His fastball has little movement, and he has a horrible attitude. He has been terrible this year and I think we should trade him when his stock is still pretty high. If anything, his career will be made as a solid number 3 or 4 starter (ex: James Baldwin). I could say more, but i dont wanna ramble. Keep up the good work though Corey and Alex "the archivist".
Posted at 3:54 PM, July 28, 2005  
Blogger Corey said…
My point here is that we needn't attatch labels of "buyers" or "sellers". The Indians can make trades of both types and it doesn't necessarily reveal anything about Mark Shapiro's intentions or the Indians' chances for this year. I say simply, make good trades.

Roger: Nah, we flew (from Chicago) this morning. Which game will your parents be at?

Anonymous: I don't know; state your case and I'll consider axing the 'stache.

Noah: We like C.C. but I'd be all for trading him--for the right price. The Reds would be INSANELY STUPID to trade Dunn for Sabathia straight up though; I doubt that would ever happen. But he is the type of player whose perceived value in the media and among the fans is higher than his actual due to having been a "number one starter" and so-called "clubhouse leader". And you know what I have to say about that.
Posted at 1:54 AM, July 29, 2005  
Blogger David said…
I too think the Indians should trade everyone they can who is not guarenteed to return next year. Why? Because they need to get what they can for these guys. George Steinbrenner is not our owner. Does anyone honestly believe we can replace somebody like Kevin Millwood in free agency this offseason? Or Bob Wickman? Of course not. The only way to acquire players of their caliber is to trade for them (or call them up from the minors...if they are there). If the Indians stand pat, they are still likely to miss out on the playoffs and then they will lose a lot of core players to the big money teams this winter. I say trade these guys right now and reload for next year. There is still a chance they could make the playoffs this year either way they decide to go, so you might as well assure yourself of getting something of value from these guys who are otherwise sure to split town next year. The fan outcry will likely be fierce, but this is something the team needs to do if they want any chance of competing in years to come.
Posted at 11:47 AM, July 29, 2005  
Blogger David said…
Oh, and I also agree it would be wise to trade C.C. if you could get something of value for him (like an Adam Dunn). I would even say trade Westbrook if the price is right. I've always felt he was pitching on borrowed time, though his success has been longterm enough now that maybe I'm wrong. But back to C.C., he seems to be in need of a change of scenery. Much like Tim Couch in the glory days of the Browns, he cannot buy a win at home. The fans are beginning to turn against him and things are just going to get uglier and uglier. I would hope he turns things around in the remainder of this season and then unload him in the winter while his value is high. We've been waiting long enough...I don't think C.C. is the ace we have been waiting for.
Posted at 11:51 AM, July 29, 2005  
Anonymous Noah said…
Dave, why should we trade Westbrook? I think Westbrook, right now, is our most valuable starter. I think hes extremely tough mentally, and has the makeup of someone who will be successful for the longterm. He has had unbelievably bad luck this year, and his numbers are skewed from a few atrocious early performances. Other then that, if you listen to what opposing hitters say about him, he's a damn good pitcher. I love Jake Westbrook. CC needs to go.
Posted at 10:04 PM, July 29, 2005  
Anonymous Daren said…
Noah, I'll answer Dave's question for you. Millwood is a free agent after this year and barring injury will be either the 1st or 2nd most coveted free agent starting pitcher in the offseason. Now, I know that we would like to sign him, but when the Yankees or Red Sox or Dodgers throw 4yrs-$40-48mil at him he's gone. So we can either get hope that we make the playoffs and get 2 draft picks that will take 3-5 years to help the big league ballclub or we trade him now for either a top quality young player or a top prospect who can help us next year.

I love what Millwood and Wickman have done for us, but they aren't going to be here next year so unless we think that we really need them for this year, we should get the most value for them that we can.
Posted at 12:15 AM, July 30, 2005  

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